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G: Well obviously I feel good when I have kids and people come up and you know are shaking and want to say you know you've changed my life you feel good about that no matter no matter how many sort of intellectuals or whatever say you're you know an idiot you know that you've had an effect and when I sit in a movie and I watch people react I know it works and that's all I need to know as I know I've I've taken somebody on a trip that is going to make them a more interesting person and that's all I do.  I don't think of any grand picture you know it's did I, most of the people in the silent era movies are forgotten and I assume that we will all be forgotten, but I have while i was here i tried to live a good life I tried to do the right thing I tried to make this a better world and you know people disagree about what's the better world and all that kind of stuff and I feel that my picture of a better world is as accurate as any I do even though I make the movies about it it's, the world to me is split into two halves you know the the selfish part and the giving compassionate part and we're all struggling with both of them and I know a lot of people that are thinking they're doing good but they're selfish and all they're doing is making the world a worse place  
G: Well obviously I feel good when I have kids and people come up and you know are shaking and want to say you know you've changed my life you feel good about that no matter no matter how many sort of intellectuals or whatever say you're you know an idiot you know that you've had an effect and when I sit in a movie and I watch people react I know it works and that's all I need to know as I know I've I've taken somebody on a trip that is going to make them a more interesting person and that's all I do.  I don't think of any grand picture you know it's did I, most of the people in the silent era movies are forgotten and I assume that we will all be forgotten, but I have while i was here i tried to live a good life I tried to do the right thing I tried to make this a better world and you know people disagree about what's the better world and all that kind of stuff and I feel that my picture of a better world is as accurate as any I do even though I make the movies about it it's, the world to me is split into two halves you know the the selfish part and the giving compassionate part and we're all struggling with both of them and I know a lot of people that are thinking they're doing good but they're selfish and all they're doing is making the world a worse place  


I: Well but you've struck a very powerful blow for the good there's no question about that well
I: Well but you've struck a very powerful blow for the good there's no question about that  


G:  if I'd have really made a
G:  Well, if I'd have really made a difference we wouldn't be sitting where we are today with this country in the mess that's it


difference we wouldn't be sitting where
I: No I don't think so. Where you've made the difference is in the hearts of people


we are today with this country in the
G: Ya but...


mess that's it no I don't think so where
I: and encourage them to be their true selves and recognize their commonality. Not everybody saw Star Wars millions and millions saw Star Wars


you've made the difference is in the
G: I know that, I know that. But I hope people...


hearts of people and encourage them to
I: And maybe there are plenty people who should have seen Star Wars


be their true selves and recognize their
G:  I only hope that those who have seen Star Wars recognize the Emperor when they see him


commonality not everybody saw Star Wars
I: Ya, you know, [laughter]


millions a night I hope maybe you're
I: You know what you oughta do, you oughta make your list of the hundred people that should see Star Wars and send them each and say just watch this movie yeah


playing people should have seen Star
G: but the evil people don't you know the Emperor's don't see it no matter how much you tell them they can't see beyond their own greed and anybody's talking about hate or you know putting doing bad things to people, they are on the upper side there and it's it's not hard to see people doing that you see that isn't right you shouldn't be saying bad things about people that's not helping anybody


Wars I only hope that those who have
I: but you're on the Force's side


seen Star Wars recognize the Emperor
G: Well I'm on the side that says you should treat people decently and that yeah you can argue about whatever you want to argue about but we're all in this boat together everybody's in it together and we're gonna all sink or swim together and we haven't been doing a very good job over the last 10,000 years all of my movies are about one thing which is the fact that the only prison you're in is the prison of your mind and if you decide to open the door get out you can, there's nothing stopping


when they see him yeah you know what you
I: There it is George Lucas thanks for much for joining us thank you
 
are you ought to make your list of the
 
hundred people that should see Star Wars
 
and send them each and say just watch
 
this movie yeah but the evil people
 
don't you know the Emperor's don't see
 
it no matter how much you tell them they
 
can't see beyond their own greed and
 
anybody's talking about hate or you know
 
putting doing bad things to people they
 
are on the upper side there and it's
 
it's not hard to see people doing that
 
you see that isn't right you shouldn't
 
be saying bad things about people that's
 
not helping anybody but you're on the
 
for society well I'm on the side that
 
says you should treat people decently
 
and that yeah you can argue about
 
whatever you want to argue about but
 
we're all in this boat together
 
everybody's in it together and we're
 
gonna all sink or swim together and we
 
haven't been doing a very good job over
 
the last 10,000 years
 
all of my movies are about one thing
 
which is the fact that the only person
 
you're in is the president of your mind
 
and if you decide to open the door get
 
out you can't there's nothing stopping
 
there it is George Lucas thanks for much
 
for joining us thank you


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what interests you about the conflict
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between good and evil well a conflict
 
between good and evil is the basic
 
conflict the universal question is am i
 
a good person I mean not counting social
 
misfits of course for people like you
 
and me
 
ya know I mean are you a good person I
 
try to be a good person but of course
 
that's a very complicated question it is
 
and it's something you have to ponder
 
because you're doing it every day you're
 
saying should I do this or shouldn't I
 
do this now
 
through mythology and things were taught
 
certain things that are good and certain
 
things that are bad but a thinking
 
person questions all that say is this
 
really good am I really doing the right
 
thing here
 
am I really being a kind compassionate
 
person because to me that's really about
 
a compassionate person as opposed to a
 
person that is consumed with
 
self-interest or a selfish person those
 
are the two things mm-hmm we all have
 
good and evil in us because we have the
 
selfish side of us and we have the
 
compassionate side of us the idea is how
 
do you keep those things in balance and
 
by keeping those things in balance you
 
can do a lot of good things you're never
 
gonna get everybody's human everybody's
 
greedy when you become greedy then you
 
do bad things to get stuff from other
 
people once you get that stuff then you
 
become afraid once you become afraid
 
that somebody's gonna take it from you
 
then you start striking out at people
 
and you start you get angry at things
 
you get worried didn't that put you in a
 
whole psychological mindset that makes
 
you turns you ultimately into an evil
 
person where you're doing two pourable
 
things two people thinking that you're
 
doing the right thing
 
but you're doing it because you're
 
afraid they're gonna hurt you before you
 
hurt them how did Joseph Campbell affect
 
your thinking when you were formulating
 
the ideas Joe Camel was a comparative
 
pathologist and the Joseph Campbell
 
angle really came out of my anthropology
 
classes when I was in college yeah I was
 
very curious about the way societies
 
work and why people do the things they
 
do in a society why they form their
 
ideas and I used to always think of
 
mythology as a form of psychological
 
archaeology you're not just thinking up
 
pieces to
 
look at them and try to figure out what
 
is what's going on with a society with
 
mythology you can actually understand
 
the psychological underpinnings of what
 
people actually were thinking what they
 
were afraid of what they felt about
 
their parents what you know the real
 
psychology of the whole thing so that's
 
what sort of started that whole process
 
and I had studied Joe Campbell I
 
continued to study Joe Campbell and I
 
really tried to take these psychological
 
motifs from mythology all over the world
 
as a result I was able to take ideas
 
that go through all societies through
 
all the ages and bring them down and put
 
them into a razzle-dazzle Saturday
 
matinee serial action-adventure film and
 
did you consciously think about when you
 
were making it you really wanted to make
 
this a force for the good yes part of it
 
is it bringing back some of those old
 
psychological motifs from mythology that
 
part of it was I just wanted to see if
 
they were still relevant I knew they
 
were but you don't really know a lot of
 
its turning to Freud and Jung and but
 
you you kind of know things are still
 
working that way a little bit but I
 
didn't know how much how much are just
 
the basics of what are friends for
 
why do you join together in a society to
 
help each other your relationship to
 
your father your relationship to the
 
generation that came before you that
 
seems to accrued everything up and how
 
do you feel about passing that on to
 
your kids and how do your kids feel
 
about the fact that you've been handed
 
this mess from the earlier generation
 
you know can you be stronger than your
 
father in terms of the temptations that
 
he was over you know the things he was
 
maybe able to come over overcome or not
 
overcome maybe he's very successful it
 
would still have a lot of flaws right so
 
there's a lot of complicated things that
 
are put in there you know there are
 
basic issues that you want to deal with
 
it's the same thing with a force which
 
is basically just like an amalgamation
 
of all religions and what all you know
 
ever since the very beginning it always
 
comes down to this mysterious thing that
 
we can't see that has some kind of power
 
over us and or we have power over it or
 
we go to it for help that explains a lot
 
of the things that the mysteries that we
 
can't explain any other way
 
for my Ally is the force
 
and appalled for colleges bleeds it
 
makes it grow its energy surrounds us
 
and binds us luminous beings are we not
 
this crude matter you must feel the
 
force around you you read you be asleep
 
everywhere yes even please this ship and
 
you wanted to bring spiritual traditions
 
together in a positive force yes to say
 
it's okay to believe whatever you
 
believe organizers religions have a
 
place but in the end when they start
 
saying things that are not positive and
 
are not compassionate they're not caring
 
you know the Inquisition's and all
 
killing people in the name of God is
 
wrong there's just no question about
 
because that's absolutely opposite of
 
what all gods
 
Shaymin everybody have taught us which
 
is God is love not God is hate so if you
 
were gonna put together you know the
 
power of this influence that Star Wars
 
has been in the world right and the kids
 
that come up to you they've come up to
 
you in different cultures yes all around
 
the world have any stories about that
 
one is just the look on their faces when
 
they talk about where their voice goes
 
which is you know really inspired things
 
you know we discovered early on with
 
with Star Wars because that was before
 
video tape and everything so we would
 
get requests when the first bar were
 
from hospitals there would be a child
 
who would be dying and they said can we
 
see the movie because he's not gonna
 
last the week hmm
 
so we'd show him the movie and he would
 
live for another six or nine months and
 
it wasn't once that this happened it
 
happened hundreds of times and you just
 
sort of say well whatever we're giving
 
them whatever inspiration would give
 
them allows them to take the struggle
 
further and you know and maybe embrace
 
the fact that it may not be that bad in
 
the end so
 
what do you think's in Star Wars helps
 
them do that well I just think the fact
 
that they that there is good in the
 
world and there's kindness in the world
 
and that they can go on and and laugh
 
and enjoy themselves and that there is
 
always change so if it changes down then
 
they will change back up again they
 
won't it's not like life is not a
 
constant so you're not just going
 
downhill or you're not just going uphill
 
and maybe they feel the force within and
 
then one might say that there's a
 
continuity so the child begins to think
 
well maybe there's something beyond
 
right well let's conceptually when you
 
get into the force and you get into the
 
Living force and the uber force which is
 
basically well however you want to call
 
it heaven or born again or however you
 
want to you know in terms of karma that
 
there is a continuum and that you join
 
the force
 
when you die and you lose your
 
personality but you become one with this
 
bigger living entity if you look at Star
 
Wars you know they're different kinds of
 
myth as a heroic myth there's the
 
Democratic myth there's religious myth
 
its economic myth where would you put
 
Star Wars in the context of those mythic
 
traditions well it's the hero's myth
 
really I mean it there's a whole
 
political side to it which is the same
 
as the mythological side of it which is
 
where you take one of the issues was is
 
how does a democracy turn itself into a
 
dictatorship which I was fascinated with
 
happens in Rome happened in France it
 
happened in Germany and what causes that
 
to happen so that was the political side
 
of things because the mythological side
 
was more psychological was more on the
 
personal side of relationships and how
 
people were doing things so we had the
 
head of the Stanford School of Design on
 
David Kelly we talked about creativity
 
and he was saying that your creative
 
tell you about the fourth grade and then
 
it pushes you into a channel and so the
 
key to be creative is to find the child
 
that you were well the thing is being
 
creative basically means and have an
 
imagination
 
it means you
 
work inside the box you know like the
 
beaten in the box when did you realize
 
you were outside the box pretty early on
 
that's why I didn't do well in school
 
how did you learn to trust you're
 
outside the box Ness well I didn't
 
really trust it until I got into film
 
school and I realized that I could do
 
something that I could do that nobody
 
else could do so suddenly I was like the
 
best of everybody there is because the
 
way I was thinking was normally not the
 
way other people thought and and I could
 
see very clearly the ones that were
 
trying to follow the box the ones that
 
we're trying to put Tab A and to tap B
 
and that's God they weren't gonna ever
 
go anywhere you know you had to say that
 
doesn't work guys look if you work
 
inside the box you'll never win the game
 
that's where politics come in because
 
politics is a big box so you found
 
yourself and you get squashed you've had
 
this tremendous success therefore and
 
you've had tremendous success in film
 
and therefore you are a quote celebrity
 
right which is a burden in and of itself
 
but you are also someone with a deep
 
emotional commitment to your craft and
 
to making the good prevail and when you
 
go to sleep at night and you realize
 
you've accomplished so much in terms of
 
the Star Wars and the metaphors and the
 
mythic dimensions to it and the force
 
for the good and so forth how do you
 
feel put the other stuff aside the
 
negative aspects yeah well obviously I
 
feel good when I have kids and people
 
come up and you know are shaking and
 
want to say you know you've changed my
 
life you feel good about that no matter
 
no matter how many sort of intellectuals
 
or whatever say you're you know an idiot
 
you know that you've had an effect and
 
when I sit in a movie and I watch people
 
react I know it works and that's all I
 
need to know as I know I've I've taken
 
somebody on a trip that is going to make
 
them a more interesting person and
 
that's all I do I don't think of any
 
grand
 
picture you know it's did i most of the
 
people in the silent era movies are
 
forgotten and i assume that we will all
 
be forgotten but i have while i was here
 
i tried to live a good life i tried to
 
do the right thing i tried to make this
 
a better world and you know people
 
disagree about what's the better world
 
and all that kind of stuff and I feel
 
that my picture of a better world is as
 
accurate as any I do even though I make
 
the movies about it it's world to be a
 
split into two halves you know the the
 
selfish part and the giving
 
compassionate part and we're all
 
struggling with both of them and I know
 
a lot of people that are thinking
 
they're doing good but they're selfish
 
and all they're doing is making the
 
world a worse place well but you've
 
struck a very powerful blow for the good
 
there's no question about that
 
well if I'd have really made a
 
difference we wouldn't be sitting where
 
we are today with this country in the
 
mess that's it no I don't think so where
 
you've made the difference is in the
 
hearts of people and encourage them to
 
be their true selves and recognize their
 
commonality not everybody saw Star Wars
 
millions a night I hope maybe you're
 
playing people should have seen Star
 
Wars I only hope that those who have
 
seen Star Wars recognize the Emperor
 
when they see him yeah you know what you
 
are you ought to make your list of the
 
hundred people that should see Star Wars
 
and send them each and say just watch
 
this movie yeah but the evil people
 
don't you know the Emperor's don't see
 
it no matter how much you tell them they
 
can't see beyond their own greed and
 
anybody's talking about hate or you know
 
putting doing bad things to people they
 
are on the upper side there and it's
 
it's not hard to see people doing that
 
you see that isn't right you shouldn't
 
be saying bad things about people that's
 
not helping anybody but you're on the
 
for society well I'm on the side that
 
says you should treat people decently
 
and that yeah you can argue about
 
whatever you want to argue about but
 
we're all in this boat together
 
everybody's in it together and we're
 
gonna all sink or swim together and we
 
haven't been doing a very good job over
 
the last 10,000 years
 
all of my movies are about one thing
 
which is the fact that the only person
 
you're in is the president of your mind
 
and if you decide to open the door get
 
out you can't there's nothing stopping
 
there it is George Lucas thanks for much
 
for joining us thank you{{endstuff}}


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George Lucas

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GL: I had studied Joe Campbell, I continue to study Joe Campbell, and I really tried to take these psychological motifs from mythology all over the world...and as a result I was able to take these ideas that go through all society, through all the ages, and bring them down and put them into a razzle-dazzle, Saturday matinee serial, action adventure film.[1]

Interviewer: And did you consciously think about when you were making it that you really want to make this a force for good?[2]

GL: Yes, part of it is to bring back some of those old psychological motifs from mythology...It is basically just the same thing with the Force, which is basically just an amalgamation of all religions...you know, ever since the very beginning it always comes down to this mysterious thing that we can't see that has some kind of power over and/or we have power over it or that we go to it for help...[3]

Interviewer:And you wanted to bring spiritual traditions together in a positive force?[4]

GL Yes...


Interviewer: ...You have struck a very powerful blow for the good, there is no question about that.

GL: Well, if I had really made a difference, we wouldn't be sitting where we are today with the mess that it's in.

“Understand the scale,” director J. J. Abrams had told her when he offered her the part of Rey. “This is not a role in a movie. This is a religion for people. It changes things on a level that is inconceivable.” At the time, Ridley leaped at the opportunity, but she couldn’t have known what was coming."[5]

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I: What interests you about the conflict between good and evil

G: well a conflict between good and evil is the basic conflict. The universal question is am i a good person. I mean not counting social misfits of course for

I: people like you and me

G: ya know I mean

I: are you a good person I try to be a good person but of course that's a very complicated question

I: it is

G: and it's something you have to ponder because you're doing it every day. You're saying should I do this or shouldn't I do this now through mythology and things were taught certain things that are good and certain things that are bad but a thinking person questions all that say is this really good am I really doing the right thing here am I really being a kind compassionate person because to me that's really about a compassionate person as opposed to a person that is consumed with self-interest or a selfish person those are the two things mm-hmm we all have good and evil in us because we have the selfish side of us and we have the compassionate side of us the idea is how do you keep those things in balance and by keeping those things in balance you can do a lot of good things you're never gonna get, everybody's human, everybody's greedy, when you become greedy then you do bad things to get stuff from other people once you get that stuff then you become afraid once you become afraid that somebody's gonna take it from you then you start striking out at people and you start you get angry at things you get worried didn't that put you in a whole psychological mindset that makes you turns you ultimately into an evil person where you're doing two horrible things two people thinking that you're doing the right thing but you're doing it because you're afraid they're gonna hurt you before you hurt them

I: How did Joseph Campbell affect your thinking when you were formulating the ideas?

G: Joe Camel was a comparative mythologist and the Joseph Campbell angle really came out of my anthropology classes when I was in college yeah I was very curious about the way societies work and why people do the things they do in a society why they form their ideas and I used to always think of mythology as a form of psychological archaeology you're not just thinking up pieces to look at them and try to figure out what is what's going on with a society with mythology you can actually understand the psychological underpinnings of what people actually were thinking what they were afraid of what they felt about their parents what you know the real psychology of the whole thing so that's what sort of started that whole process and I had studied Joe Campbell I continued to study Joe Campbell and I really tried to take these psychological motifs from mythology all over the world as a result I was able to take ideas that go through all societies through all the ages and bring them down and put them into a razzle-dazzle Saturday matinee serial action-adventure film.

I: And did you consciously think about when you were making it you really wanted to make this a force for the good

G: yes part of it is it bringing back some of those old psychological motifs from mythology that, part of it was I just wanted to see if they were still relevant. I knew they were but you don't really know a lot of its turning to Freud and Jung and but you you kind of know things are still working that way a little bit but I didn't know how much how much are just the basics of what are friends for why do you join together in a society to help each other your relationship to your father your relationship to the generation that came before you that seems to accrued everything up and how do you feel about passing that on to your kids and how do your kids feel about the fact that you've been handed this mess from the earlier generation you know can you be stronger than your father in terms of the temptations that he was over you know the things he was maybe able to come over overcome or not overcome maybe he's very successful it would still have a lot of flaws..

I: right

G: So there's a lot of complicated things that are put in there you know there are basic issues that you want to deal with it's the same thing with a force which is basically just like an amalgamation of all religions and what all you know ever since the very beginning it always comes down to this mysterious thing that we can't see that has some kind of power over us and or we have power over it or we go to it for help that explains a lot of the things that the mysteries that we can't explain any other way

Audio Clip:

Yoda: for my Ally is the force and appalled for colleges bleeds it makes it grow its energy surrounds us and binds us luminous beings are we not this crude matter you must feel the force around you. You. Between you... Me. The rock. Everywhere. Yes. even between the land and this ship

I: And you wanted to bring spiritual traditions together in a positive force

G: yes to say it's okay to believe whatever you believe organizers religions have a place but in the end when they start saying things that are not positive and are not compassionate they're not caring you know the Inquisition's and all killing people in the name of God is wrong there's just no question about because that's absolutely opposite of what all gods Shaman everybody have taught us which is God is love not God is hate.

I: So if you were gonna put together you know the power of this influence that Star Wars has been in the world right and the kids that come up to you they've come up to you in different cultures yes

G: all around the world

I: Do you have any stories about that

G: one is just the look on their faces when they talk about where their voice goes which is you know really inspired things you know we discovered early on with with Star Wars because that was before video tape and everything so we would get requests when the first bar were from hospitals there would be a child who would be dying and they said can we see the movie because he's not gonna last the week ... so we'd show him the movie and he would live for another six or nine months and it wasn't once that this happened it happened hundreds of times and you just sort of say well whatever we're giving them whatever inspiration would give them allows them to take the struggle further

I: Absolutely

G: And you know and maybe embrace the fact that it may not be that bad in the end

I: So what do you think's in Star Wars helps them do that

G: Well, I just think the fact that they that there is good in the world and there's kindness in the world and that they can go on and and laugh and enjoy themselves and that there is always change so if it changes down then they will change back up again they won't it's not like life is not a constant so you're not just going downhill or you're not just going uphill

I: And maybe they feel the force within and then one might say that there's a continuity so the child begins to think well maybe there's something beyond

G: Right well that's conceptually when you get into the force and you get into the Living Force and the Uber Force which is basically well however you want to call it heaven or born again or however you want to you know in terms of karma that there is a continuum and that you join the force when you die and you lose your personality but you become one with this bigger living entity.

I: if you look at Star Wars you know they're different kinds of myth as a heroic myth there's the Democratic myth there's religious myth its economic myth where would you put Star Wars in the context of those mythic traditions

G: Well it's the hero's myth really I mean it there's a whole political side to it which is the same as the mythological side of it which is where you take one of the issues was is how does a democracy turn itself into a dictatorship which I was fascinated with happens in Rome happened in France it happened in Germany and what causes that to happen so that was the political side of things because the mythological side was more psychological was more on the personal side of relationships and how people were doing things

I: so we had the head of the Stanford School of Design on David Kelly we talked about creativity and he was saying that your creative tell you about the fourth grade and then it pushes you into a channel and so the key to be creative is to find the child that you were. **

G: Well the thing is being creative basically means and have an imagination it means you work inside the box you know like the beaten in the box

I: When did you realize you were outside the box

G: Pretty early on that's why I didn't do well in school

O: how did you learn to trust you're outside the boxness?

I: Well I didn't really trust it until I got into film school and I realized that I could do something that I could do that nobody else could do so suddenly I was like the best of everybody there is because the way I was thinking was normally not the way other people thought and and I could see very clearly the ones that were trying to follow the box the ones that we're trying to put tab A into tab B and that [intelligible], they weren't gonna ever go anywhere you know you had to say that doesn't work guys look if you work inside the box you'll never win the game. That's where politics comes in because politics is a big box

I: so you found yourself

G: and you get squashed if you go outside the box

I: we're not gonna go their, right now.

G: Ok [laughs uncomfortably]

I You've had this tremendous success therefore and you've had tremendous success in film and therefore you are a quote celebrity right, which is a burden in and of itself, but you are also someone with a deep emotional commitment to your craft and to making the good prevail and when you go to sleep at night and you realize you've accomplished so much in terms of the Star Wars and the metaphors and the mythic dimensions to it and the force for the good and so forth how do you feel put the other stuff aside the negative aspects (why, George mentions politics and getting crushed by it, why not talk about that)

G: [Laughs], Yeah

G: Well obviously I feel good when I have kids and people come up and you know are shaking and want to say you know you've changed my life you feel good about that no matter no matter how many sort of intellectuals or whatever say you're you know an idiot you know that you've had an effect and when I sit in a movie and I watch people react I know it works and that's all I need to know as I know I've I've taken somebody on a trip that is going to make them a more interesting person and that's all I do. I don't think of any grand picture you know it's did I, most of the people in the silent era movies are forgotten and I assume that we will all be forgotten, but I have while i was here i tried to live a good life I tried to do the right thing I tried to make this a better world and you know people disagree about what's the better world and all that kind of stuff and I feel that my picture of a better world is as accurate as any I do even though I make the movies about it it's, the world to me is split into two halves you know the the selfish part and the giving compassionate part and we're all struggling with both of them and I know a lot of people that are thinking they're doing good but they're selfish and all they're doing is making the world a worse place

I: Well but you've struck a very powerful blow for the good there's no question about that

G: Well, if I'd have really made a difference we wouldn't be sitting where we are today with this country in the mess that's it

I: No I don't think so. Where you've made the difference is in the hearts of people

G: Ya but...

I: and encourage them to be their true selves and recognize their commonality. Not everybody saw Star Wars millions and millions saw Star Wars

G: I know that, I know that. But I hope people...

I: And maybe there are plenty people who should have seen Star Wars

G: I only hope that those who have seen Star Wars recognize the Emperor when they see him

I: Ya, you know, [laughter]

I: You know what you oughta do, you oughta make your list of the hundred people that should see Star Wars and send them each and say just watch this movie yeah

G: but the evil people don't you know the Emperor's don't see it no matter how much you tell them they can't see beyond their own greed and anybody's talking about hate or you know putting doing bad things to people, they are on the upper side there and it's it's not hard to see people doing that you see that isn't right you shouldn't be saying bad things about people that's not helping anybody

I: but you're on the Force's side

G: Well I'm on the side that says you should treat people decently and that yeah you can argue about whatever you want to argue about but we're all in this boat together everybody's in it together and we're gonna all sink or swim together and we haven't been doing a very good job over the last 10,000 years all of my movies are about one thing which is the fact that the only prison you're in is the prison of your mind and if you decide to open the door get out you can, there's nothing stopping

I: There it is George Lucas thanks for much for joining us thank you

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Footnotes

  1. Lucasfilm Fan Club - George Lucas Joseph Campbell Mythology, Religion, Creativity, 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TpXdM3i5V0
  2. Lucasfilm Fan Club - George Lucas Joseph Campbell Mythology, Religion, Creativity, 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TpXdM3i5V0
  3. Lucasfilm Fan Club - George Lucas Joseph Campbell Mythology, Religion, Creativity, 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TpXdM3i5V0
  4. Lucasfilm Fan Club - George Lucas Joseph Campbell Mythology, Religion, Creativity, 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TpXdM3i5V0
  5. Isaac Feldberg, “Daisy Ridley Reveals the Terrifying Advice J.J. Abrams Gave Her For Star Wars,” Inverse, 2024, https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/daisy-ridley-interview-star-wars-sometimes-i-think-about-dying.