Talk:Needs - Revision history

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	- needs need not be hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is embedded into a specific historical context. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need (without historic context), which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break ~~(root chakra)~~ won't function, or the lights (third eye chakra) won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.		- needs need not be hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is embedded into a specific historical context. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need (without historic context), which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break won't function, or the lights (third eye chakra) won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.

	This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.		This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.

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2017-12-19T20:53:50Z

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	The idea that survival is more basic than for instance connection or understanding was mostly valid because the cars were driving really slowly. Now, due to hightened technology, certain members of society drive entire trains around with lots of people on board. Now, we can't ignore the fact that one wrong turn and the train might get derailed. Without understanding and connection survival is not possible. From this perspective, understanding and connection seems more basic, because it ensures a better functioning of the vehicle. (Which, obviously also includes survival)		The idea that survival is more basic than for instance connection or understanding was mostly valid because the cars were driving really slowly. Now, due to hightened technology, certain members of society drive entire trains around with lots of people on board. Now, we can't ignore the fact that one wrong turn and the train might get derailed. Without understanding and connection survival is not possible. From this perspective, understanding and connection seems more basic, because it ensures a better functioning of the vehicle. (Which, obviously also includes survival)

	- needs and psychological and biological mechanisms should be distinguished. Mechanisms like the fight or flight mechanism, or biological mechanisms are not necessarily stemming from unmet needs. (In the grander scheme of things, indeed they are, but, as intimated above, the physical unit might be tricked into specific behavior. Find examples. Explain further. Why. Metaphor of the submarine. Metaphor of the magnetic boat.

	[[User:Aim\|Aim]] ([[User talk:Aim\|talk]]) 20:28, 18 December 2017 (UTC)		[[User:Aim\|Aim]] ([[User talk:Aim\|talk]]) 20:28, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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2017-12-19T20:51:47Z

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	- needs need not be hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is embedded into a specific historical context. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need (without historic context), which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break (root chakra) won't function, or the lights won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.		- needs need not be hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is embedded into a specific historical context. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need (without historic context), which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break (root chakra) won't function, or the lights (third eye chakra) won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.

	This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.		This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.

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	- needs ~~are~~ not hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is embedded into a specific historical context. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need (without historic context), which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break (root chakra) won't function, or the lights won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.		- needs need not be hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is embedded into a specific historical context. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need (without historic context), which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break (root chakra) won't function, or the lights won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.

	This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.		This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.

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2017-12-18T21:06:15Z

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			[[File:Circle of Needs.jpg]]

	== Chakras and associated needs ==		== Chakras and associated needs ==

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	~~[[File:Example.jpg]]~~

	== Chakras and associated needs ==		== Chakras and associated needs ==

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			[[File:Example.jpg]]

	== Chakras and associated needs ==		== Chakras and associated needs ==

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	- needs are not hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is ~~survival~~. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need, which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break (root chakra) won't function, or the lights won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.		- needs are not hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is embedded into a specific historical context. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need (without historic context), which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break (root chakra) won't function, or the lights won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.

	This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.		This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.

Aim: /* Notes */ needs not hierarchical. explanation why shift in perspective

2017-12-18T20:28:24Z

Notes: needs not hierarchical. explanation why shift in perspective

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			Some further ideas:

			- needs are not hierarchical. They are all equally necessary. The idea that there is a "hierarchy" of needs stems from the fact that the point of reference is survival. We could change the point of reference into the "ultimate" need, which is the need for allignment/ the need for self actualization. This framework makes it plausible, that all needs work for the common goal of self-actualization. Hence, they are all the same need. Just like each element of a car is created for the sake of driving around, so are the elements of the body. If the steering wheel does not respond (unconnected body/crown chakra) or the gas (solar plexus chakra) and break (root chakra) won't function, or the lights won't turn on, the car has a problem. Nevertheless, all elements work towards the same goal//purpose/need. It makes just as much sense to say that the breaks are more important/ more basic than the lights or the responsiveness of the steering wheel, as to say that the physiological needs are more important/basic than the need to connect or the need to understand. In the end, from the grander scheme of things, the dangers of a PU driving fast without sight and unresponsive is just as problematic as a vehicle stranded in the desert without gas.

			This is why i'd propose a circular scheme. In the center is the need for self actualization, while all chakras are surrounding it and work explicitly towards this need pointing towards the center. Around the chakras is another set of needs which are more specific.

			The idea that survival is more basic than for instance connection or understanding was mostly valid because the cars were driving really slowly. Now, due to hightened technology, certain members of society drive entire trains around with lots of people on board. Now, we can't ignore the fact that one wrong turn and the train might get derailed. Without understanding and connection survival is not possible. From this perspective, understanding and connection seems more basic, because it ensures a better functioning of the vehicle. (Which, obviously also includes survival)

			- needs and psychological and biological mechanisms should be distinguished. Mechanisms like the fight or flight mechanism, or biological mechanisms are not necessarily stemming from unmet needs. (In the grander scheme of things, indeed they are, but, as intimated above, the physical unit might be tricked into specific behavior. Find examples. Explain further. Why. Metaphor of the submarine. Metaphor of the magnetic boat.

			[[User:Aim\|Aim]] ([[User talk:Aim\|talk]]) 20:28, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

	== Chakras and associated needs ==		== Chakras and associated needs ==

Mike Sosteric at 17:46, 14 December 2017

2017-12-14T17:46:09Z

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			Yes makes sense. A nice revision of Maslow's hierarchy! We need a graphic here [[User:MichaelSharp\|MichaelSharp]] ([[User talk:MichaelSharp\|talk]]) 17:45, 14 December 2017 (UTC)